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Steboy93 · Jul 19, 2007, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Please bring back the english districts!!!

vergerefosh · Jul 19, 2007, 06:59 AM // 06:59

I play on the American so it doesn't really affect me, but aren't the international districts common districts really? Since they're common to everyone and everyone can access them?
So why not bring back English districts and have international as common ones?

Kinn · Jul 19, 2007, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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having an English district where people mostly spoke English was good and made the game nice and friendly to English peop-WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING ANET??????

brosse · Jul 19, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04

It's pretty obvious WHY Anet renamed it: Most people in the English districts didn't have English as their native language. Common districts is a more logical name.
It's not like you never saw anyone speak Dutch or Portuguese in the old English districts. And I haven't really seen a big difference so far.

But personally I couldn't care less, as long as Anet doesn't split it into a "common" and "english" district. We really don't want more districts with fewer people. But if it makes you nationalistic people happy to have 7 other letters at the top of your district, be my guest.

Abnaxus · Jul 19, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

/signed of course.

To me, X-district is the district in which you go and expect to read and speak la language X.
If someone speaks german or french in italian district, he/she is soon invited to speak italian and don't spam (or worst).
Calling them "common" invites anyone to use his/her mother language, creating the same Babel there was before language separation.

Difficult to understand the motivation of this decision taken by A.net.

Isileth · Jul 19, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

A lot of people seem to be taking this as if English speakers have a huge problem with foreign players. If you had the district of your language suddenly shared with 5+ other languages at the same time, you would start to see that it doesnt work.

We cant understand them, they cant understand us, they cant understand some of the others. What is the benefit? When I team with players I want to be able to talk to them. Players will still seperate themselves within that district by language simply because they cant communicate with those of a different language.

All it does is put more people in the same district. However even with more it doesnt increase the ammount of players you can actually play with. It just makes finding teams harder, trading harder. Even having a conversation becomes a lot harder.

I dont quite see how this complaint can be taken as us trying to shut ourselves off from any foreign players, its simply something that makes playing the game much harder. I have no problem playing with foreign players that can speak English, they used to come to the ENGLISH district which pretty much signals you should have at least a grasp on the English language. Now its become a common district its basically open for all which when you have so many languages in Europe just does not work. If players want to go and play with people they cant understand thats why we have the international district right?

People have to remember this isnt an FPS or some other games that doesnt require much communication between players (at casual level of course). These sort of games do require a good level of communication, if you need to discuss skill bars, tactics etc. So while im all for a common district for those who would want to use it. Taking away the English districts in favour of that just makes the game a lot harder for those of us who can only speak English.

Francis Demeules · Jul 19, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Then the communication with other players is the issue among the last update.

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Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar

The most logical way to do this, I would think, would be by language. Since that is the case, European English and American would be put together, kind of like how Australia and Canada are both typically found on American servers, at least in my experience. Though they could easily be found on European. Either way, both are English speaking and if it's mutually exclusive to merge them it makes sense to.

For Canada, that depends if we bought the European version (generally french) or the American Version (I bought the American version but I change my account to Euro for some reasons like Curse You). If you think really putting America and English together, I'm thinking about the favor in the servers then. Like someone said, keep the common district and add the english district.

william1975 · Jul 19, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Quite simply I don't understand any other language other than english, despite not being english.

I never voluntarily enter other districts that speak anything but english, or are international. The simple reason for this is that i think its just plain ignorant to enter into a district where, say French, is the language, and speak in English and expect everybody or anybody there to respond to me in english or even understand me at all.

I have been on in at night when i can't find a team and still refuse to go through these districts because of this, the only distirct i have went to to find teams other than English is international. And this is because sometimes you get a wider community of english speakers.

To be insenced at the removale of the English district and the replacement with a common european one is not Xenophobic. Any person wanting to play with foriegn people can do so through the international district, or when the english district existed could come there and play with english speakers, however the vast majority spoke english. With a common distirct their is not incentive to speak a common language as there is none in Europe. Or is anet suggestiong that the common language is English?

Anet has shown no respect to the English speaking community by removing the district, and certainly has shown none to the rest of Europe's many cultures and languages by implying that English is the common language.

Obviously there should be a common european district for the simple fact that not all communities are represented by distircts (Though this is not to say they shouldnt have a dedicated server), and some being small may not have a large amount of players, so having a place where numerous people converge makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is removing the english district. The suggestion of merging all english speakers into one district such as america, is also unfair as the servers would be overloaded and more difficult to connetc to.

Other online games i have had experience of this as the further the server was from your base the more difficult it was to maintain connection and speed

Sythius · Jul 19, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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This really needs doing!
I logged and and was surrounding by people speaking in all sorts of languages!
This makes finding parties, co-operating with others, trading and merchanting ALOT harder now.
Let alone the insult to all of us English speakers.
They should bring them back.
Specially since English is spoken by the majority.

Mike_version2 · Jul 19, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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we can keep common, but bring bring back English districts as well.

Keneth · Jul 19, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

I haven't noticed any substantial change in the variety of languages spoken in the now "common" districts, they were renamed thus because no one really cared that the district was "english" so they probably figured that renaming them to "common" was more precise. I understand just about every language spoken in europe to a degree so it doesn't really bother me, the more annoying part is when I see people writing in Cyrilic. A.net banned all other foreign scripts like Japanese and Korean but they don't mind that? I mean, I can read that too but it gets on my nerves that I can't type in kanji while people go around spamming in cyrilic. Anyway,...

/signed, make an actual English district for english speaking people so I don't have to think so much

MithranArkanere · Jul 19, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Hm... now that I come to think... they should both add an English district and a new option to choose a default district, separately from the language.

Ecklipze · Jul 19, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

/Signed x 1,000,000^1,000,000

First of all the 'English' district is invaded by loads of other languages, and while there, 75% of what you read in local is not even English

Now they get rid of the district all together.

For once can I actually be in a district where I can actually understand what's being said?

As for being called 'common district', don't get me started...-_-

Bazompora · Jul 20, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

Calling them "common" invites anyone to use his/her mother language

What's wrong with this?
• Why should Dutch-speakers, Portuguese-speakers, etc. be discouraged at speaking their own languages in outposts?
• What's wrong with the idea of a "common ground" for all European language groups to congregate in?

Curse You · Jul 20, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by Bazompora

What's wrong with this?
• Why should Dutch-speakers, Portuguese-speakers, etc. be discouraged at speaking their own languages in outposts?
• What's wrong with the idea of a "common ground" for all European language groups to congregate in?

The fact that in the process, they got rid of one of the set language districts.

Antithesis · Jul 20, 2007, 07:05 AM // 07:05

/signed.

English may be the "common" language but if they want universality and a sense of multi-culturalism, isn't that what International Districts are for?

There are dedicated German, Italian, French and Spanish language Districts - they build a sense of community because they can all understand each other and speak in their native tongue. Lumping all Euro's together simply results in division because we can't understand what the hell everyone else is saying! I'm not suggesting "speak English or die" but i would prefer it if English were encouraged simply to facilitate communication through a 'common' medium.

There's no Hispanic District to cater for the large Spanish-speaking population in the USA, it's just plain "American". Maybe a simple change from "common" to European District and scrap the French District, German District etc would serve the same purpose and offend less people...except the Germans, French, Spanish and Italians annoyed at the loss of their language-based districts.

While you're at it Anet, how about combining China, Korea, Japan and Taiwan into an "Asian" District...that'd be the most hostile location on the planet, kiss your sales goodbye

My guess is they'll phase out the other Euro languages over time to reduce server costs as the player base dwindles. Then again, i have no idea how the localisation / network server setup works so it's pure speculation.

eightyfour-onesevenfive · Jul 20, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

The english districts always were the common districts. Every European player who doesn't have a district for his local setting is placed there by default, on login. That didn't change. I highly doubt that there is a lot more non-english conversation going on in the common districts than there was in the english districts before the change. All this update did was name the district appropriately.

The international districts are not really an alternative. Due to different routing, many european players will have a slower connection to them than to the local districts.

On the other hand, I see no harm in having English districts in addition to Common districts.

Antithesis · Jul 20, 2007, 07:31 AM // 07:31

Bugger it, i'm playing in German Districts from now on and speaking only English. Let's see the kind of response that attracts.

I get your point 84-175, it's generally accepted that the English districts are multi-language and accepting of other languages, but there should be a choice for us too.

Grethort · Jul 20, 2007, 07:47 AM // 07:47

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I'm talking about the change of European English Districts to being called European Common Districts. While it is nice that this can serve as a place for all people on the European servers to congregate, I have to stress a major problem I have; there is now nowhere for purely English speakers to congregate.

You talking like that becouse Engllish districts looks more like Polish / Dutch players - and then they would be no longer called ENGLISH districts - due to growing population of those country nations they would not be english named - that's like to call a Englsih dsitr callesd German - district is named Englsih but it's german speak here a lot - same situation there on Common. I think Common distr would back into Englsih when Polsih districts would finalyl appear(Still have to wait but not too long).

Sorry for my very bad english =="

Mindtrust · Jul 20, 2007, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Well to be honest i would love to go back to 1 common server for EU/US and skip most of the of the "local" districts.
Sure major towns with wtb/wts ppl and outposts with farmers are filled with players, but quite many outposts are deserted and i would love to see more people there that you can do stuff with, cause many people from other districts may not have english as their first language but they do understand it!